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Dormeydo
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we get a litte something to enjoy...

We need to keep the good spirit up here, and this could help a litte. Probebly verry litte, but at least we get something else to talk about and a litte glimse of what we all are waiting for Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm not asking for anything big like that movie in the tuesday update. Just an admin saying how the progress and what they are working on now would be enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, put it this way.

It may only take 5 minutes to take a screenshot, upload it, and post a link to it here, but you neglected to consider how long it would take to go through everything and get the right screenshots that show you something different then before, yet doesn't reveal anything that will spoil the excitement for later, and anytime it would take to edit the screenshot to remove elements you don't want known yet. Plus you neglected to account for the time it would take to come here and really do a decent write up of what you're looking at.

Sure you COULD just post a few pics and say here ya go, but what does that do for you really? Nothing. Does it really say what you're looking at? No. Does it give you any idea of how things are going on the dev side of things? No... I can go on the old akarra editor and draw up something in a couple of hours and send it to the Devs and say post this... A pic or two really doesn't satisfy anything, especially if you get 15 to 20 to 30 pics over time of the same old things... A character standing in a field with nothing around it, a character next to some building, a character next to a lake, a character surrounded by trees, a character in a cave, et cetera... Whoopty freakin do! Where's the story update? Where's the classes update? Where's the quests update? Where's the monster AI development update? Where's the economics/trade update? You can't get that from a couple little pictures... We've already seen how good the graphics are... The next step is some other area of the game. Some other area of development that shows progrss beyond the good graphics that we already know about...

It's better that they not have to take time away from their work to figure out what aspects they want to tease/spoil us with. It's a lot more time consuming then what you're crediting the situation with. It's not like they all meet in an office and lay out their plans for the day... They're ships passing in the night, sometimes to go right by and still miss each other... They live in different time zones and have different lives... That makes real time communication a bit difficult, which hinders the overall process of development, and can cripple discussions on what should be handed to us. It all just seems a bit pointless to me that we should be begging for more screenshots that don't prove a damned thing...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stant is right. A simple picture isn't going to say anything. I'd rather have a good development focused post with information each 3 months then a picture each month.

In these cases information tells more then pictures.

I haven't seen anyone object when they said they were planning to reduce the amount they update us but now that it's about 2 months ( ?) later they do object. They never said any time they would update us so they technically seen just kept to their words. They will keep us informed. When - is another matter. They will post an update when they think there's enough information and development gathered to make the post useful. Considering the time, I think it should be any time soon to make the community confident that they are working.

The "If we post we waste time we could work in." scenario could be easily avoided by selecting a moderator (doesn't have to be a developer, could be anyone in the forum too) that keeps everyone up to date.

Patience is a virtue, if you have enough of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, like I said, I'm not asking for a screenshot or a movie. I just said that a dev saying what hes working on and how progress on the game is coming will be fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit we've been really bad at keeping you posted and that's not acceptable. In a project like this, where the devteam is working for free and on their spare time there are periods with lots of activity and of course there are periods with less activity. I'm not saying this justifies not keeping you guys updated, it is just that when we're in a time of low activity, it's hard for us to find the motivation of giving an update. But that's exactly when we need to remember what we've accomplished so far! What I mean is, there's lots of stuff that's old news to us but at the same time just lying there, waiting for you to see it!
I can see that there’s a lot of hungry mouths to feed out there, let’s see if we can do something about that, shall we?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds good!
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Manifold
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheheha. I'm anticipating.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lorsaelos wrote:
...A screenshot here and there, a note of what is currently being worked on, and other small things like that...

...Little tidbits of info...Not just random screenshots without meaning, but sometimes you want to have something to talk about: A forest, a town, a particularly interesting encounter with a creature.

...coding status, and what parts of the game are under the most construction. Or, what parts of the game's system are still in consideration.

I didn't say -only- screenshots, or useless screenshots either for that matter.

Anyway, thanks Kinten!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't read what Kinten posted.

But you folks need to consider that updates need to be planned. If we tell you about A, B, and C. That may give away what we are doing with E through J. Then you know about 15-20% of the game.

This is why updates take away from the Dev time. thewreck & Kinten discussed the possibility of an update (with the Monday dev updates) then posted what they were considering.. devs gave feedback.. and more feedback and critiqueing was done and alas another Monday Dev Update was born.

These became too much of a hassle to plan and keep track of to make sure that 20 weeks down the road the whole game wouldn't be revealed.

I will say at this point there isn't a lot of 'screenshot' stuff to give you just yet. But I venture to say soon on that.

If you kids promise to play nice we might be able to reward the community Wink
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